The sad truth about Little Mac in Smash - An Ultimate character analysis

  • Published: 10 June 2019
  • I talk about Little Mac for a long time.

    This is a video I've been working on for quite a while. And is something I have been considering making for even longer. But it's finally done. In this video we take an in depth look at little mac. In an attempt to find out what works and what does not. Either way, I hope you enjoy it.

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Comments • 1 016

    ANTHONY KRAVCHISHIN  2 hours back

    Every single time I play Little Mac against my friends, they always camp the entire time. He's basically a character that forces lame play styles, which is sad because I thought he was gonna be so much better in Ultimate

    • Bizzozeron
      Bizzozeron  19 hours back

      the worst part about mac is the fact that beating him is extremely trivial if you are willing to play the matchup - and no one wants to play the matchup because it involves standing on the platform and waiting out the timer.

      • ThePissedPsychologist
        ThePissedPsychologist  1 days back

        Distance control is a core concept in most fighting games. And Mac is built with it purely in mind. What's curious is that while in most fighting games, characters that specialize in a specific distance have tools to control that distance. Mac does not. In fact what few tools to control distance the game *does* have are either nerfed on Mac, or completely miss the point. A great horizontal dodge is nice, but doesn't aid a character that needs to explicitly control their vertical orientation. Mean while the air dodge, the tool explicitly FOR controlling vertical orientation, was nerfed stupendously. It does make me wonder how much it would change the game if he had more tools to control the distance. My suggestion would be to allow his counter special to spike on an aerial hit.

        It would make an air game against Mac into high risk high reward tactic. It would give Mac the option of moving the opponent back into his wheelhouse when above platform, rather than just being forced to be juggled due to pure lack of responsibility. And making ledge denial something to be considered carefully rather than the blatant win condition it is presently. At the same time, by forcing it as a counter, it doesn't allow mac to actively have an air game, only allowing him to force a transition if the opponent chooses to be aggressive in a predictable fashion, and keeping to his "strong ground game, weak air game" design.

        • TUXEDO skell
          TUXEDO skell  1 days back

          Mac is back

          • Nicholas Zhang
            Nicholas Zhang  2 days back

            Short version: Mac sucks and will forever stay irrelevant.

            • JackHammer 640
              JackHammer 640  2 days back

              I main little Mac even tho his recovery suxs

              • Goro Majima
                Goro Majima  3 days back

                I second Mac in 4.

                It is so rough man. He is even worse in Ultimate.

                • TheRealPiranhaPlant
                  TheRealPiranhaPlant  4 days back

                  27:24 I though I was the only one who experienced that

                  • NeoHedge
                    NeoHedge  4 days back

                    The sheik little mac match was actually even tho :)

                    • Venomew 2
                      Venomew 2  4 days back

                      25:43 -That Kirby's an ass hole.

                      • The Amazing Insomniac
                        The Amazing Insomniac  4 days back

                        Jab 2 combos into up b at high percents working as an effective kill confirm (also down throw combos into up b at mid to high percents which also works, but it's not as reliable as jab 2 to up b)

                        • Car Hawk
                          Car Hawk  5 days back

                          40 minutes is just a rant lol

                          • Soma
                            Soma  6 days back

                            I think the thought process behind Mac's poor grabs is that boxing doesn't really involve grabs.

                            • Robbie Horn
                              Robbie Horn  6 days back

                              i thick that they should have had macs ko punch be like cloud limit charge just with out the ability to charge it and have to whee it can go away on its own and to where if mac held on to it it would give him an increase to certain aspects to mac like say he had ok punch and held on to it he get a boost to his ground speed and gets better air speed and better acceleration and also give him more power on his moves.

                              this is just an idea i had but think of how much better mac could be if they did this i would be happy if they did this.

                              • Star Power*
                                Star Power*  6 days back

                                My character sucks because sakpie is a bitch. Fuck soccerai that dumb bitch nerfed mario and now hes so bad and low tier he's literally unplayable now..

                                • Star Power*
                                  Star Power*  6 days back

                                  This is pretty cringe ngl. Very not funny and im not gonna laugh.

                                  • Forrest Toyne
                                    Forrest Toyne  6 days back

                                    I think if you take mac versus peach you get a perfect example of just how important aerial mobility is. Peach has decent to bad moves all around but shes a top tier skill pick because of the aerial mobility .

                                    • WaveJaeger
                                      WaveJaeger  7 days back

                                      Neutral b can now be shield cancelled

                                      • Dire Blue
                                        Dire Blue  7 days back

                                        Little mac should have Second Wind: Once mac passes 100% he gets a damage boost, a boosted recovery, and a speed boost

                                        • Omae Wa mou shindeiru
                                          Omae Wa mou shindeiru  7 days back

                                          Lorewise littpe mac is around animated superman levels. In the punch out game when you do a series of punches the timer slows down by a lot thus explaining why he is so fast in smash compared to his games. Theres also the fact that he beat a dude that punches and runs faster than a bullet train, beat illusionist and took the belt from mr. Sandman. A guy who literally brought a building down with his punches.

                                          • thegoat24
                                            thegoat24  1 weeks back

                                            Shulk has the worst counter in ultimate

                                            • IamMe
                                              IamMe  1 weeks back

                                              From Norway nice

                                              • Sauzels
                                                Sauzels  1 weeks back

                                                I haven't watched the video yet, why does it take 41 minutes to say "he's ass"

                                                • BellowD Gaming
                                                  BellowD Gaming  1 weeks back

                                                  All I can say with all the negatives and nerfs....Giga Mac!

                                                  • Lucky Lucas
                                                    Lucky Lucas  1 weeks back

                                                    I never consciously thought about platform camping to stuff out Mac, but I do remember three stocking my friend who is a Mac main with a random Robin because of camping.

                                                    • Javier Navarro
                                                      Javier Navarro  1 weeks back

                                                      Little Mac doesn’t belong in Smash

                                                      • Endermage77
                                                        Endermage77  1 weeks back

                                                        Mac's fundamental character design encourages camping to avoid the close-combat ground game, which is his only strength.
                                                        As a result, who in their right minds would want to play against him or watch a match when it encourages such boring gameplay?

                                                        • Neptune lover
                                                          Neptune lover  1 weeks back

                                                          They should ban platform camping just how stupid it is honestly

                                                          • popo
                                                            popo  1 weeks back

                                                            I know people meme on Mac but he is an absolute pain when you're an Ice Climber like me. His forward smash just goes through EVERYTHING I CAN DO. If I'm going to beat him I'm going to have to juggle him, and his Down B counter (it's down B right?) won't let me do shit to him in the air either.

                                                            • Zye1984
                                                              Zye1984  1 weeks back

                                                              what if his counter didn't knock the opponent away, but did dizzied them instead with a strong gut-punch?

                                                              • Tony Hakston
                                                                Tony Hakston  1 weeks back

                                                                I’d just make the counter charge star power faster. And MAYBE make it so it deflects projectiles.

                                                                • Henry Hemphill
                                                                  Henry Hemphill  1 weeks back

                                                                  what if Little Mac has some form of resistance to aerials or something to make your opponent need to be on the ground to do decent damage to Little Mac, but then Little Mac will be able to do decent damage to his opponent? food for thought.

                                                                  • funx24x7
                                                                    funx24x7  1 weeks back

                                                                    As someone who didn't play smash 4, I am outraged at the removal of the blue costume. Boo Nintendo.

                                                                    • Doriyah
                                                                      Doriyah  2 weeks back

                                                                      I’m going back to smash 4, I never realized how badly they gutted him until now. I knew the nerfed him, but only now I realized they killed his up tilt and down tilt followups. Also did you know Mac had footstool combos in 4? Nair to footstool to up b. Now it’s actually impossible to do. Thanks for that Sakurai, very cool

                                                                      • Lucrayzor
                                                                        Lucrayzor  2 weeks back

                                                                        1:35 yoooo that's scykoh

                                                                        • Manek Iridius
                                                                          Manek Iridius  2 weeks back

                                                                          TL;DR "He's a normal human."

                                                                          • Gyroh
                                                                            Gyroh  2 weeks back

                                                                            If you could keep the charge on neutral B just like DK, Samus, Mewtwo, etc., the move would be usable even with its huge endlag. Also, a fully charged punch in the air could substitute side B for a horizontal recovery option, although you would have to spend the charged attack.

                                                                            Finally, it’d be nice if he had a down air that sent him down quickly like toon link, sonic, ZSS, etc, with little endlag upon landing. That could be a safe way to return to the ground where he “excels”. It’s also synergistic with his design.

                                                                            • Paps
                                                                              Paps  2 weeks back

                                                                              I mean it makes sense. Little Mac was the worst character in his game. He’s the worst character in smash

                                                                              • Adaven
                                                                                Adaven  2 weeks back

                                                                                I do think that this character could be fixed, but only if a few issues were addressed that are present throughout his entire moveset:
                                                                                1. Hitstun
                                                                                One of the core things wrong with current mac is the lack of potential for strings and/or kill confirms. If we increase all aerial hitstun as well as the hitstun on Jabs, Down tilt, and Up tilt, then this problem can be either remedied or at least heavily alleviated. His aerials lack substance, and giving them increased hitstun would leave room for at least something as well as making them safer when used in neutral/disadvantage state.
                                                                                2. ending lag/landing lag
                                                                                Another common theme of bad game design in mac's moveset? Having no practical or safe options in the air or on the ground. Decreasing ending lag on jabs, dash attack, down tilt, up tilt, and decreasing the space between the first and second hit of f-tilt would help make these options safer while not ramping up the character too much power wise. Reducing landing lag of moves like f-air and side b could create safer environments for combo strings and getting back on the stage safely. Taking away ending lag on up air, down air, fair, and bair could create a safer bubble around mac and prevent him from having such a vulnerability in the air.
                                                                                3. Jumps/gravity
                                                                                Fixing mac's gravity will be the key to understanding how to help him get out of combos easier. Increasing his jump height will not only assist his waning excuse for a recovery, but will also allow him to safely get onto platforms, preventing camping to an extent.
                                                                                4. Fix defensive moves
                                                                                Give mac more invincibility and movement out of his air dodge and rolls. This will improve his chances of staying near and dear to his best friend the ground while also helping him get out of disadvantage state. Making his counter come out earlier then the others as well as giving it more horizontal movement, less endlag, and less falling when whiffed would make it a viable recovery mix up as well as a defensive asset and a combo breaker.
                                                                                5. Recovery fix
                                                                                If they just let him have his jolt haymaker back whenever he is hit, the recovery would be so much better at no cost to anyone else. making his up b propel him farther up could offset the risk of using it as a combo finisher as well as help his recovery immensely.
                                                                                6. Fix Neutral B
                                                                                Maybe instead of changing the move, have the weaker version charge up the meter at drastic pace if mac is hit through the super armor. Making the KO punch stay until use should be a given considering how charge shot and other things similar to that nature work. It's not as broken as limit considering how unversatile KO punch is compared to four moves, so why not just let the user keep it?

                                                                                The main false hood in Nintendo's design of Little Mac was giving him way too many weaknesses instead of balancing the tradeoff. Make his weakness range instead of recovery, THE AIR, and everywhere else.

                                                                                • Loxu
                                                                                  Loxu  2 weeks back

                                                                                  I think they gave him a nerf in smash 4 because he was just not a good character to fight. They knew he was awful Nintendo isn’t that stupid it’s just having a character with no air game leads to a lot of either stocks ending really quickly due to Mac just being juggled or a lot of Mac sitting on the ground after a hit waiting for the opponent to come down (in mid to low level play). For new to semi new players he was just a boring and annoying character to go against and I don’t know if Nintendo knew how to fix that so they did a small nerf so that the community would think he’s either fixed or basically removed from the game.

                                                                                  (I’m also not 100% but I’m pretty sure you can down tilt into ko punch in ultimate)

                                                                                  • Rabid Penguinies
                                                                                    Rabid Penguinies  2 weeks back

                                                                                    >Random people on 4Glory
                                                                                    >Shows Scykoh


                                                                                    • TheProGram
                                                                                      TheProGram  2 weeks back

                                                                                      There is one place where mac works insanely well.

                                                                                      WORLD OF LIGHT

                                                                                      • Redman Gaming
                                                                                        Redman Gaming  2 weeks back

                                                                                        I think they need to buff ground moves to make them unbearable and Op right now his ground movement isint the best and they need to make it op and air bad and then it works

                                                                                        • popopop984
                                                                                          popopop984  2 weeks back

                                                                                          Is this conclusive evidence Little mac is the worst character?

                                                                                          • Manek Iridius
                                                                                            Manek Iridius  2 weeks back

                                                                                            Sounds more like nobody's figured out how to play him. Either that, or nobody knows exactly what's wrong with him and can only talk in generalizations like "his air game sucks" and 'he can't fight off-stage" despite those generalizations being core parts of his design.

                                                                                        • FixedKarma
                                                                                          FixedKarma  2 weeks back

                                                                                          Little Mac isn't about close combat he's about looking for an opening and going for it like actual boxing

                                                                                          • Chance Van Setters
                                                                                            Chance Van Setters  2 weeks back

                                                                                            4:33 HOW CAN YOU TALK ABOUT GLASS CANNONS AND NOT BRING UP MEWTWO, *THE* GLASS CANNON OF SMASH! I feel hurt, insulted, and am going to do absolutely nothing about it

                                                                                            • Agglom
                                                                                              Agglom  2 weeks back

                                                                                              I wonder if being able to hold a charged neutral-b would be too good

                                                                                              • Eevee/Fightzpike
                                                                                                Eevee/Fightzpike  2 weeks back

                                                                                                Is it bad that I have 4,845,488 GSP with Mac? I mean....